Aug 282013


Well what an interesting weekend we had guys, with Putting the BANS back together & Oh Look a Bank Holiday! both happening and what not. Thanks to everyone who attended, put up with whatever the hell happened, and generally dealt with a severely annoyed Mangala. We still managed around 200 kills between both roams over the weekend, so not bad considering that Saturday may have seen one of our more expensive whelps right at the start of the night!!! Although on reflection the tactics used by certain members of the Proviblock just shows that they believed themselves unable to beat us any other way! The Sunday session was interesting in that we found things that make Talwars not work, making our jobs as tackle that much harder. Anyway, the fights with BNI, PL & EUNI were pretty good so made up for the stuff with BALEX for sure.

As ever we had Somerblink sponsoring some prices, and additionally several people provided other items to be awarded over the weekend.

SomerBlink sponsored prizes went to:

Vexor Navy Issue: Lotta Vageena, Ravingone, Carathas, Ragnar Alestorm, Mandelbrot Fracture
Brutix Navy Issue: Lemming Malgalad, Captain Jonathen Archer
Dominix Navy Issue: Atlas Jaynar

Blink will get these to you as soon as possible.


Other prizes provided last minute went to:

Quake BPC x2: Abstemious & Waitangi

Sleipnir: Rebbeca Neresh

Machariel: Gyouzac

I will have these up on contract shortly.


In other news, I am currently working with our guest FC’s to fill in the Autumn & Winter Schedule for Ganked.  We have our spreadsheet for this, but I have copied the contents to a publicly viewable one here.  So keep an eye on that future dates, as well as the mailing list “RvB Ganked”.  And yes, you read Ganked 100 right. It says Caps. If you have suggestions for a theme, pop them in the comments to this article, and maybe a Guest FC – or even little old me – will take it & run with it.


Finally, I would just like to talk about what makes Ganked fun for ME.  Mostly its the feeling of 150+ pilots from varying walks of eve life coming together to have a laugh & kill some stuff along the way, with no real attention to ingame politics & allegiances. However it may seem to some that I have not been enjoying this as much lately, and I will say I agree.  

And here is why:

I think that at times comms has been too unruly, yes its fine to speak up when we are free burning or waiting on a scout to find “something”, but try not to do it when action is on the near horizon, its a bad thing at that point. The same goes for singing, although Cal spends so much time working on his lyrics he can be forgiven (PS Anyone got those recorded?!). If you cant hold your beer enough to stay quiet at the right times guys, maybe you should drink girlie drinks.

Lemmings.  Its getting very old now. Align doesn’t equal warp, hold does not equal jump, Primaries are not optional. Seriously guys, you can spook targets by warping/jumping too soon, you can prevent a gorgeous kill by splitting your deeps too soon etc etc. Fun can still be had by playing your A game you know.

Sebos. “Its Ganked” is NO BLOODY EXCUSE to feel that fitting more than a single sebo to something cruiser hull and above is fine.  You gimp your fit, and you gimp your fleet in doing so. When fitting SEBO’s think about it first. As for you frig guys that do it, unless you are a scouting inty, do not bother. Arty thrashers/Talwars, its expected you fit them!!!  While saying this, just note that users of extraneous sebos will be excluded from winning Blink prizes in the future, not that they win much anyway ;)

So yeah, I have been feeling a little burnout from things like that above, lets see if we can still enjoy Autumn & Winter, but without as much of those as the Summer held. 

Going forward lets have a stunning few months in the lead up to Ganked 100!! I hope to see many of you there.


  • Green Gambit

    The most stupid thing about the whole sebos thing is – yes by fitting loads of sebos, you might get the odd extra kill of a lone ship on a gate along the way – but when we jump into a gang, we regularly miss out on kills because we don’t have tackle to hold them.

    Everybody should be looking at filling mids with e-war. You don’t need to apply e-war to the primary – so there’s an excuse to whore more killmails in a large fight. On top of that e-war generally has a longer range, so you can apply it further out. Finally, with plenty of e-war we stand a better chance when we hit a large fleet – which means we’re in the fight for longer, and should result in more killmails all round.

    If we’d had just a little bit of ECM within the fleet on Sunday night, we probably would’ve broken that BALEX fleet and killed a load of shinies.

    The idea that sebos means more kills is just retarded.

  • Jakob Anedalle

    So yeah, there’s the whole fundamental bit about killboards/killmails being broken because doing 12 damage to a target nets you a “kill” that pads your board with the full ISK value of the target. It’s a culture as well as a technical thing, I know. Maybe a CSM type could have some input on that. :)

    But for the culture of Ganked, how about explicitly making clear to people that prize ships and accolades will go to people who apply tackle and dps rather than kill numbers? Reward the behavior you want to see and all that.

  • codename

    It’s understandable, you got a little bit burned by all the situation friend! But you do this for a long time you deserve the respect, I have been a little away from EvE due to RL complications, but I will be back until december, and as always I will do my best. As I said there is lack of people with your carisma, and abilitie to do fun stuff for all people, and you deserve nothing than respect. I will continue to participate whenever Ican in ganked. Will rejoin rvb (go reds) again and try to help where and when someone needs me. See you in Saturday will try to bring friends!

  • Billius Zabub

    I just wanted to say thank you for doing these RvB Ganked fleets.

    I know things have not always gone well. But, taking a step back and looking at the big picture; these ganked fleets have been amazing overall. There have been many great battles, exciting fights and lots of laughs. And, that’s just in the last few months.

    I have tons of appreciation for the effort and expertise it takes to organize and operate these open-to-everyone events. They have helped me get so much more out of my EVE experience. Seriously, CCP should pay you because stuff like this definitely keeps me having fun and subscribed.

    I appreciate the feedback about how better to fit ships or the importance of following instructions. I’ve definitely fucked up a few times (e.g. got killed by station guns Sunday after I attacked a neutral while waiting on undock; derp). But I do want to learn, improve, and become a more valuable fleet member.

    This came out gayer than I intended. I just want you and everyone else involved to know at least some of us quietly tagging along are grateful for all you do. Seeing a schedule that goes months out into the future makes me happy.

  • Carathas

    Hopefully we can instill a little bit of sensible discipline into the fleet to ensure everyone’s long term happiness. The two most pressing issues are without a doubt ‘chaos comms’ and ‘lemmings’. In terms of the SeBo issue, I think its a valid one and afterall Scan Res is often a crutch for poor piloting, slow reactions or drifting off on comms and not paying attention.

    Trying to be more positive, perhaps we could provide some advice and guidance to augment the Mumble articles detailing fits and some ‘house rules’ for the fleet (comms etiquette and jump commands to start with). We could easily point the newer players at the ‘Hydra’ articles that Agony have developed – this would at least help them in fitting out mid slots.

    At the same time, I don’t want us to get all super serious – I love my fleets with Ganked, they are generally an antidote to the guys who take the game ever so seriously.

    Happy to help if I can.

    • AdW

      Poor Mang ( And I mean that sincerely)
      I’ve been in and around Ganked from from practically the beginning and I love these roams because for me they are stress-breaks. Mang has gotten us to a point where even when not present have amazing guest FC’s (except tgl of course) , the best scouts, the best intel channels for creating fights and I agree with everything Mang put at the top and Green followed with.
      If you can’t tell the difference between low sec and null sec and what is and isn’t a suspect flag when you are on a gate or a station then ….. well just bad.
      Personally I have never ungrouped my guns on a Ganked roam. I think “lock, shoot, unlock, retarget, rinse, repeat” is so complicated that if the people were to apply those talents to actually helping the FC by primarying the primary we’d win so many more fights.
      Same goes for aligning, holding cloaks and lemmings. When a scout calls potential targets and then reports 10-15 purples already in local (i.e. tarp blown!) I just wanna name names and call targets in our own fleet tbh.
      If you don’t know what we’re talking about above (which is possible) then for God’s sake join Red or Blue and learn! That’s what they are there for!
      Here’s to good times ahead though guys and let’s see BALEX bring their over-imped, over boosted fleet setup to Saturday’s party …….. the outcome will be very different.

    • I don’t want to make things too serious either, and I do enjoy providing so many with so much enjoyment, but would be nice to have a less hectic environment to do Ganked in from time to time.

      • Greygal

        Hrm, maybe I should set up a special expedited Basic class just for Ganked, covering coms and Hydra ewar fitting?

        FYI for those who truly do want to maximize killmail whoring AND adding to the strength and effectiveness of the fleet as a whole, ewar is the way to go. Griffins, Maulusi, Crucifiers and when flying cruiser-and-above gang types, the Vigil, all allow you to spread your ewar over 4 or more targets, causing major headaches for your targets, and getting on significantly more killsmails in the process. In larger hull gangs, Celestis, Blackbirds, etc., are even more awesome to significantly add effectiveness to a fleet AND get on lots of kill mails.

  • M4n1c M1n3r

    Man up and stop your moaning Mang or I swear I’ll start playing again just to come screw about on comms all night and jump every time I land on a gate :)

    Actually, now that I think about it, that’s exactly what made Ganked so bloody amazing in my opinion! So my vote is for a future ganked to be a walk down memory lane with madness and mayhem the order of the day. Kills are great but they come a distant second to the laughs for me.

    Hopefully I’ll be able to make an upcoming Ganked, it’s been too long.


    • When did you start playing again? :)

      • M4n1c M1n3r

        Plexed the accounts 4 or 5 days ago, played for a couple of days last month too so still trying to figure it all out again. Hope you’re keeping well mate and see you soon on a Ganked.

  • Akrasjel Lanate

    Mang the only way to make people to not use multiple sebos is not invite them to fleet… excluded from winning Blink prizes wont change it… and average atendies don’t win them anyway ;)

  • Charles Burger

    Funny thing about mid slots is, fitting ewar will probably get you on more kill mails than sebos. With ewar you’ve got a good reason to aggro someone who’s not the primary or secondary. So maybe you miss a lone Thrasher kill because you can’t lock it in time, but you’ll get on much more KM’s in the main fight because you’ve got 2 more active modules to hit them with. ECM is a much better kill whoring module than a sebo, why can’t people see that!

  • Fyn

    Sebos – really only dignified on e.g. RailHarpy with 70k+ range (Spike) to lock targets that far away, other than that… maybe on a BS ’cause locktime sucks.

    I think the suggestion of just killing lemmings (those who do it more than once, it CAN happen) or expelling them from fleet is not a bad idea, this is no OPSEC/CTA/whatever serious business, but it’s just not fun anymore with 10 people jumping/warping/decloaking/fucking around on every goddamn gate.

    Also the 24/7 shittalk on comms, people not shutting their yaps when someone tries to say something important and stuff like that, it’s exhausting.

    So please everyone, do Mangala and the rest of the fleet a favor and stop doing that kind of crap, it doesn’t help making Ganked more fun, it’s really the opposite.